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Male Player Is a Black American Nightmare

Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:29 AM EDT
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By Dr. Sherman N. Miller
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With 70 percent of African American children born out of wedlock, it is worthwhile pondering a very detrimental mindset of a fatherly rolling stone (player) that may have tainted yesteryear’s male role model for many African American males.

I spoke with two chaps that had overly chauvinistic views during their young adult life in dealing with women. The first chap I guestimate is in his late fifties. This chap said his father abused women as a player.

He adopted this sullied view. Thus he walked away from a fine lady who had his best interest at heart. This want to be player took up with a second lady. Then he morphed into a deadbeat dad.

This fellow found himself going to prison on weekends over not paying child support. He lost his driving privilege that made finding work very difficult. The bicycle became his principal mode of personal transportation.

When he did get his driver’s license back he found himself struggling with the onslaught of cancer. The frightening scourge of cancer put a negative bias on his life for the grim-reaper is ever on his mind. He finds it very difficult to do yesteryear’s jobs for he possesses great talent but lacks the physical strength. He is not able to manage his own home alone. This chap is fortunate to have great children to whom he appears to grow more depended on every day.

The second chap is in his middle sixties who is struggling with the dawning of the diseases of aging. He shared how he watched his father be a rolling stone, so he imitated him. He was always a hustler, so I do not recall his having any child support problems. His nightmare today is he is at the time in his life where loneliness becomes a real curse because his yesterday’s friends are dying out.

In their heyday, these two chaps once appeared to believe that women should be barefoot and pregnant. Their stories have a great deal more meaning when I overlaid them with the comments of a seventy something African American lady who said she watched the men run around leaving women home with a house full of children when she was a child. She vowed that she would never allow that scenario to become her fate.

Today, this seventy something African American lady is a professional replete with a Doctors of Philosophy degree. She did not have a house full of children as she vowed.

It is clear from these stories that the player father image is harmful to boys in their formative years. Will today’s black males continue this harmful player behavior or is parental responsibility the new paradigm in Black America because President Barack Obama is the new fatherly standard of excellence for today’s African American males?

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Tired of F'Ups

Black women are, IMO, the most beautiful on the planet. It boggles my mind that a man could find pride in the fact that he cheated on or abused as many women as possible.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:08 AM EDT
Bad Fish

Dad doesn't stick around, it's no surprise the learned behavior repeats itself. The Family is broken. The feel good society has failed. As a man we have to forgo instant gratification for the long term rewards of family. So many of our social problems are related to our failures in this area.

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
Jumpmaster82

This is not just a Black male issue, women suffer the same lack of moral norms.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
blindsided-1194485

Somehow that fact seems to get lost when we talk about the failings of black men. It does go both ways.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
Tchem

The problem with the statistics is that it would seem this culture has accepted this type of behavior (>70% OOW births), while the government seems to reward it by covering what the deadbeat dad should be covering. 'Man-up' on personal responsibilities and family, as well as society, will benefit greatly. Then these 'men' would have something to feel good about. Like a wise man once said...'You can start feeling good about yourself when you do something worth feeling good about' ... easier said than done in this time of 'all about ME'.

Although it is more difficult to adopt responsible behavior without a dad to set the example, it must start somewhere. Time for more to become the trend setters.... which could start by getting an education.

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
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Door King

Born out of wedlock doesn't mean not being part of a family. It could easily mean the fathers and mothers aren't officially married but live together, like most of the white people in Oklahoma and Arkansas.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
Tchem

You are correct, but the vast majority of these OOW births are to take advantage of a system that provides multiple benefits for single moms. Combine this with a poverty rate 6 times that of married births, and one begins to see the consequences to the taxpayer.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
Door King

Sorry, Tchem, that's just racist horse@!$%#.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT
Tchem

Consider the facts DoorKing:

-Poverty is the usual outcome for women who bear children out-of-wedlock.

-Overall, approximately 80% of long-term child poverty in the U.S. occurs among children from broken or never-formed families.

-Because of the growth of the number of single-parent families, the welfare system for children is overwhelmingly a subsidy system for them. Some three-quarters of the aid to children—given through programs such as food stamps, Medicaid, public housing, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), and the Earned Income Tax Credit—goes to single-parent families. Each year, the government spends over $150 billion in means-tested welfare aid for single parents.

-Fatherless children are 20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders. At present, fatherless children comprise 85% of all children with behavioral disorders.

- Fatherless children are 32 times more likely to run away from home. 90% of all homeless and runaway children come from homes with no father present.

- 71% of all highschool dropouts come from homes without dads.

- Fatherless children are five times more likely to commit suicide. Indeed, 63% of all youth suicides are from homes without a father.

- Children growing up in homes without a father are 20 times more likely to end up in prison than those from intact families.

-Young black men raised in single-parent families were twice as likely to engage in criminal activity than were black men raised in two-parent families

-Time spent on welfare was 17 times longer for children of never-married mothers than for children of intact-married couples

-Welfare’s cash benefits have reduced the father of a child on welfare to nothing more than a passing stranger. It has enabled men and women to engage in irresponsible behavior and then excused such behavior by limiting the costs of imprudent and immoral choices. While welfare arguably is not the direct cause of out-of-wedlock births, it has subsidized it. Instead of rewarding responsible behavior it rewards irresponsible behavior. As a result, children suffer.

All of the above stats are directly from government publications. And you, DoorKing, expect us to believe that without financial benefits for single moms they would continue to have this rate of OOW births? Even though they would not be able to feed or support these kids??

Sorry DootKing, but that makes YOUR statement a bunch of racist horse&*#! You are insinuating that these folks are so ignorant and irresponsible that they would subject a child to the conditions above without the financial rewards received from the government.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
TERESA OLEARY

Tchem - your posting makes for horrendous reading. How do you change a mindset though - a mindset that seems to promote this as an "optional" lifestyle?

    #4.4 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:20 PM EDT
    Tchem

    Teresa... The statistics are extremely disturbing, and hold for ANY fatherless household whether it be black, white, or hispanic. The problem is a government program which fosters this kind of behavior. Are we really surprised at the number of OOW births when the financial benefits reward this behavior? People are simply taking care of themselves without regard to the impact on our economy, as well as the welfare of our children. ('No one raindrop thinks it is responsible for the flood')

    The statistics are not racist, they simply show where the problem is most prevalent. The reluctance of people to discuss this problem only further adds to its severity. A thank-you to Dr. Miller for shining light on this subject. Check out readings by Star Jackson and Thomas Sewell on this topic also...both African Americans.

    It would almost seem after looking at the statistics and facts from the previous post, that the system was designed to keep people dependent. My career has been dedicated to educating those less fortunate out of their cycle of poverty.

      #4.5 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
      Door King

      Your statistics are lies, sir: The effects you exaggerate are present, but mostly are effects of poverty and not lack of a father.

      "

      In mother-only families, children tend to experience short-and long-term economic and psychological disadvantages; higher absentee rates at school, lower levels of education, and higher dropout rates (with boys more negatively affected than girls); and more delinquent activity, including alcohol and drug addiction. Adolescents, on the other hand, are more negatively affected by parental discord prior to divorce than by living in single-parent families and actually gain in responsibility as a result of altered family routines (Demo and Acock 1991). Children in single-mother homes are also more likely to experience health-related problems as a result of the decline in their living standard, including the lack of health insurance (Mauldin 1990). Later, as children from single-parent families become adults, they are more likely to marry early, have children early, and divorce. Girls are at greater risk of becoming single mothers as a result of nonmarital childbearing or divorce (McLanahan and Booth 1989). Although the research findings are mixed on long-term effects, the majority of children adjust and recover and do not experience severe problems over time (Coontz 1997).

      A common explanation for the problems found among the children of single parents has been the absence of a male adult in the family (Gongla 1982). The relationship between children and non-custodial fathers can be difficult and strained. Fathers often become disinterested and detached from their children; in one study more than 60 percent of fathers either did not visit their children or had no contact with them for over a year. The loss of a father in the family can have implications beyond childhood (Wallerstein and Blakeslee 1989). However, the lack of a male presence may not be as critical as the lack of a male income to the family. The economic deprivation of single-parent family life, in combination with other sources of strain and stress, is a major source of the problems experienced by both parents and children."

      Did you ever think of getting a job writing for Moral Oral?

      Read more: Single-Parent Families - The Effects On Children - Family, Family, Divorce, Parents, Time, Male, and Result http://family.jrank.org/pages/1577/Single-Parent-Families-Effects-on-Children.html#ixzz1IDQNcpYq

        #4.6 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:40 PM EDT
        Tchem

        Your statistics are lies, sir: The effects you exaggerate are present, but mostly are effects of poverty and not lack of a father.

        So government statistics are lies. These are not MY stats, but gov't stats. Let me guess...you know more than the entire collection of data and stats in the country. Good way of avoiding having to address the problem. People like you are the reason the problem has become so serious....just ignore the facts and avoid accepting responsibility.

        Point well made DK...fatherless households and perpectual poverty go hand in hand. The kids say...'Gee thanks!'

          #4.7 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:52 PM EDT
          TERESA OLEARY

          DoorKing - you are obviously well read about the theoretical issues but your posting is contradictory so I am left a little confused. You say:

          A common explanation for problems found among the children of single parents has been the absence of a male adult in the family

          which is the point Tchem was making. At the beginning of your posting, however, you state that Tchem is wrong and that:

          effects are of poverty and not lack of a father

          Do you think that perhaps it could, however, be a combination of the two issues - that both poverty and a lack of a male figure contribute to the issues discussed?

            #4.8 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
            Door King

            It's common but wrong, as the quotation goes on to explain.

              #4.9 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:42 PM EDT
              Tchem

              If your reasoning was correct DK we should see about the same disturbing statistics for married family in the poverty category. However, this is not the case. If more folks were knowledgable about these statistics maybe many would take more responsibility for being a father, as well as more women waiting until they find a man worthy of being a father. Unless, of course, they just choose to ignore the statistical facts.

                #4.10 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:59 PM EDT
                Door King

                You do see the same statistics.

                  #4.11 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:39 AM EDT
                  Door King

                  Statistics aren't generated by churches, sir.

                    #4.12 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:40 AM EDT
                    Im 4Me

                    DoorKing - you are obviously well read about the theoretical issues but your posting is contradictory so I am left a little confused.

                    Teresa, you give DK too much credit. He is in denial. He supports broken families and fatherless children rather than deal with the issue in his community.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.13 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
                    Tchem

                    My guess is....guilty conscious.

                      #4.14 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
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                      Door King

                      And why do they call it wed"lock"?

                        Reply#5 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
                        D Luniz-1282741

                        the same reason wives were sometimes refered to as "tha ol ball n' chain"

                          #5.1 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT
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                          mschargerfan

                          Great article Dr. Miller. As a Gen-xer, I have seen this Black male player drama play out. Like the woman you cited, I refuse to be involved with those types of men who who do not value or respect women. Furthermore I do not want to be a single mother with a house full of kinds an no father around. I was briefly involved in a "relationship" of that type more than 10 years ago; after a few months it became clear to me what he was and it was not good for me. Furthermore, I was working, he ws not; I was going to school at that time, he dropped out; and a host of problems he had. I ended it and to this day I am glad I did so and not become further involved.

                          I think changes need to happen for both men and women in order to reduce the number of "players" and "rolling stones." For me it boils down to several ideas. The women need to have higher self-esteem and only let men of value and quality be with them. I am talking about men who have goals in life, value marriage and family, and know to treat women with the utmost respect. The "players" and "rolling stones" have no quality, no value about them whatsoever.

                          As far as the men go, they need to have drilled in their heads that being a "player" or "rolling stone" is not okay. They need to be drilled with the understanding that if they chosse to go the player route, the consequences are great and the price is high. And they need to understand that if they choose to go the player route, then women have the ability and the right to reject them as being low-to-no value and quality.

                          One trend I noticed in recent years is that a small, but growing number of Black women are taking the stance of rejecting these players and choosing men who are of value, quality, and are marriage-mindd. Many of these women are dating and marrying interracially. I think once black women en masse start rejecting these player types and choose men who are of value and quality, the numbers of "players" and "rolling stones" will decrease, therefore reducing the number of OOW births and broken families.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#6 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT
                          Kavika

                          I believe that there are ''players'' and ''rolling stones'' in all races. The OOW situation in the Black community is a combination of many things, the prevelent one being the role model that the ''player'' has. If the role model is a rolling stone, then he will be one, his values and respect will follow that of his role model. In order to ''break'' this chain, the women will have to make a statement. That being, not have anything to do with a ''rolling stone''. If it requires looking outside the Black community then so be it. There was an article some months back about this exact thing, and how more Black women were doing just that. The ''chain'' must be broken for any progress to happen.

                          Waanakiwin (peace)

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#7 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:16 PM EDT
                          Mrs D-1475814

                          Dr. Miller a wonderful article you wrote. While I know you wrote this specifically for Black Americans, I believe this same advise would help all Americans. Thank you for such an interesting read.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#8 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
                          TERESA OLEARY

                          Good points mschargerfan and Kavika - although I am a white European, I am constantly dismayed at the black culture films that seem to crop up with the same repetitive theme, in the main. The directors of these films who I assume are Black Americans only seemingly want to portray their own in one type of light - fast cars, guns, gangs, fighting, women referred to as"bitches" along with a host of other derogatory attitudes to relationships. Black women are portrayed in these films nothing short of having any kind of brain and seemingly cling on to these "rolling stones" as some kind of lucky find. It would be really, really good - would it not if they could stop churning out this rubbish and show us what the Black person is REALLY about and not what he is NOT capable of - holding down a job, having a solid, caring relationship and being a parent and proud of it. Some of these films seem to make shame of these issues and feed into a mindset that it's "uncool" somehow.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#9 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
                          Lois-Lane

                          @ #9, Teresa. It's fiction and entertainment; that's it. I don't care for the movies but there's obviously a market for it.

                          However, just like I don't take a movie or a sitcom and make my assumptions and opinions about any group of people - I don't expect others to do that either. Black people are PEOPLE.. and [we're] just like any other race of people in this world; we come all different ways, intellect, likes, dislikes, etc.. There are good ones, bad ones, rich ones, successful ones, middle of the road and poor ones... all kinds. If you want to know what [a] black person is like then you have to meet and talk to one and then another and then another and then another. Then, you'll know what those black people are like. if I meet you, I'm taking you at face value but I'm not going to assume you are like anyone else but you.

                          In other words, you don't need a television show or a movie to show you what the BLACK person is really all about. We're people just like you...

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.1 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT
                          TERESA OLEARY

                          Yes sure - I have worked and had lots of social contacts with black, asian, chinese and different creeds, religions, cultures - all talented and educated. I know the black person is far more capable than how he is portrayed by the media - and that is why I get so dismayed at this "negative image" that comes out of these videos and movies. BUT, you would think that Black people would protest more at this insult to their intelligence and, if you say there is a market for this type of entertainment, WHY?? What's so "cool" about an image portrayal that shows mindlessness? Black, asian, chinese etc are NOT all about gangs, fast cars and guns - what I am saying is show us what you ARE about - where are the black film directors who are not putting the cash-cow in front of their real culture? Show the World something different, interesting and real...

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.2 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
                          mschargerfan

                          Hi Teresa,

                          Good posts on 9 and 9.2. However, there have been some people who have been making noise over the images of Blacks presented in media. About 10 years ago, Essence wrote a long article about the images of Black women in music videos as part of its War on Girls series. I wish I could post a link, but all I have is the hard copy and I haven't been able to find it online thus far. :( Not only that, there have been other articles written about the images US media displays, and most of them are not goood. Why is there a market for such garbage I don't know. Why people allow their kids to watch such garbage I don't know. I do know this much: I have not watched BET (Black Entertainment Television, I'm not sure if you get it on your TV across the pond) in a loong time. It's because of of the way Black men and women are portrayed.

                          What it comes down to is critical thinking, which is slipping down here in the US. There are people like yourself and many others who step out and talk to people of other ethnicities/races and you find out what they are really about. Unfortunately there are to many who do not step out and talk to people, who do not think critically and believe the stereotypes presented to them in the media and then go out and treat people according to them. Then they wonder why there is so much conflict between races/ethnicities and then they blame others instead of looking in the mirror.

                          • 2 votes
                          #9.3 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 12:39 AM EDT
                          Lois-Lane

                          I get so dismayed at this "negative image" that comes out of these videos and movies. BUT, you would think that Black people would protest more at this insult to their intelligence and, if you say there is a market for this type of entertainment, WHY?? What's so "cool" about an image portrayal that shows mindlessness?

                          @mscharger and Teresa. mscharger answered your question thoroughly! great post, mscharger!

                          it's very disturbing but it's not just the entertainment - it's also the news and how they want to portray certain people. Have you ever wondered why when a black person is interviewed or asked about something "on the scene," you usually see the most unkempt and illiterate person they can find. There are many people to choose from but it's often a certain "type" they are looking for - someone to feed a stereotype, perhaps.

                          Relevant story: My husband was at the rec center near our home. Our daughter was there practicing for a 500 meter swim and he had been in the pool with her - coaching her along with her breathing and stamina, etc. It was cold outside so when he got out of the pool he put on a slim pair of sweats and then a baggier pair on top of that. A sweat shirt and then a hoodie and a flak jacket (or whatever you call it), and, lastly, a towel draped on his shoulder. There was a news person there with a camera crew, interviewing people and asking questions about the AIDS epidemic in the black community and their thoughts and concerns about it. I think she thought my husband was a a scruffy sort ... someone who fit her profile of who she wanted to portray. LOL. She ran to him just as he was leaving to get his opinion . Well, my husband turned around, took his hoodie off, removed the towel and gave a very clear and thought provoking statement , added a few facts and then gave his opinion. Blew her away. She was clearly not expecting him to be intelligent and well spoken. And... guess what? His 1-1/2 minute interview didn't even air but a few other people's did - the ones who fit the type they wanted to portray in that community. It's insulting - but it goes way past the movie directors and writers - it's much deeper than that.

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.4 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 10:09 AM EDT
                          mschargerfan

                          it's very disturbing but it's not just the entertainment - it's also the news and how they want to portray certain people. Have you ever wondered why when a black person is interviewed or asked about something "on the scene," you usually see the most unkempt and illiterate person they can find. There are many people to choose from but it's often a certain "type" they are looking for - someone to feed a stereotype, perhaps.

                          You have a point there, Lois. I've seen on the news exactly what you are talking about. That your husband's interview did not air is very telling. Sometimes I think the news is less about informing and more about sensationalizing, sterotyping, ratings, and $$$$.

                          • 1 vote
                          #9.5 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 4:01 PM EDT
                          Tricky Mona

                          It happens in the South, too, MsCharger. Wait until a tornado whips through and the media finds biggest toothless white trash in front of where his trailer used to be.

                            #9.6 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
                            mschargerfan

                            Hey Tricky how are ya?

                            I'm not denying that this type of thing happens in the South, epecially in the trailer parks. All you gotta do is watch Jerry Springer. OMG, just thinking that caused me to lose a few brain cells. :S

                            • 1 vote
                            #9.7 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 4:27 PM EDT
                            Tricky Mona

                            I'm fine, thank you.

                            I'd just like for the rest of the country to know that there are actually real homes with roofs and everything in the South... and some of us have all our teeth! :(

                              #9.8 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT
                              mschargerfan

                              I know...I used to live in the South, Alabama to be exact. I've seen some nice brick homes on large lots that are far less expensive than the cookie cutter houses out here on postage stamp lots lol lol.

                              • 1 vote
                              #9.9 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT
                              TERESA OLEARY

                              mschargerfan - I am sure there must be some kinds of BET channels on Sky in the UK as we do have a large ethnic community. I have been living in Cyprus last five years - the satellite system here is Nilesat which caters for various Middle East countries. I have noticed, however, the same kind of media portrayal of which we are discussing happening out of Saudi, Kuwait, Egypt - this seems to be the "image" kids want. However, these Societies are more conservative, especially where women are concerned, albeit that some of the videos do push the boundaries. It seems, to me at least, that there is a graduation towards Western and American young image profiles that these young people are locking into. It's not looking good but could be more about the freedom of expression that has been denied but which we take for granted, so is perhaps of a different kind of agenda. My assumption.

                              Shame you can't post a link on the Essence article you mention. I agree that the stereotyping has become some kind of belief system. My job has been in the past working with young adult offenders across a wide section of different cultures but it is the black culture that seems to get the negative hit the most from what I experience in the "out there" generally - and I blame the promoters, whoever they are, that this is happening to their own young people. Only they can undo the harm and it's about time. As you say in your posting, there are voices trying to do just that against those that need their responsibilities questionned.

                              Lois-Lane - Thanks for your story. Geez...some of your media stations do this kind of thing??? What I don't understand is WHY? What can be gained from this kind of reporting? Enlighten me someone - are we talking conspiracy theory here of a dubious kind? To what end?

                                #9.10 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:10 PM EDT
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                                kappa_man_stew

                                1) get rid of the requirement that the man has to be out of the home to collect benefits. if a man loses his job he should not have to have his children penalized

                                2) stop the immoral put a blackman in jail just-us system from railroading blackmen into prison.

                                3) stop the constant barrage of negative images in the entertainment industry. there are negative images of caucasians in the media, but they are more than offset by the positive images from discovery channel and such showing scientists, explorers and other positive images. the national geographic society would not fund any research being conducted by black people from america or europe because of racism until recently

                                4) have more services for communities in the urban areas like they do in the suburbs (i have lived in both)

                                so many ore but let's work on the easily doable.

                                then i will go on my separate rant about responsibility and not using the "excuse my _— did it". i had promised myself to not replicate the absent father i had.

                                that being said my daughter's mom works for child support. when i go there i see men of all colors. you'd be surprised how many professional caucasians (lawyers, doctors, contractors and others) attempt to hide resources. caucasian women have just as many problems as one told me while we were talking

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#10 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
                                TERESA OLEARY

                                Your absolutely bang on with Point 3 in my book.....

                                  #10.1 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:54 PM EDT
                                  blindsided-1194485

                                  Spot on Kappa Man. I've worked in the legal system for over twenty years. When it comes to parental responsibility and situations like child support, it ain't just a "black thing." In family court unlike criminal court, the people looking for justice aren't "just us."

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #10.2 - Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
                                  Lois-Lane

                                  Spot on Kappa Man. I've worked in the legal system for over twenty years. When it comes to parental responsibility and situations like child support, it ain't just a "black thing." In family court unlike criminal court, the people looking for justice aren't "just us."

                                  Ditto! Kappa nailed it.

                                  Another thing about this "player" type persona is if women didn’t accept that type of behavior then the so called “playas and rolling stones” wouldn’t have anyone to play with. Real “players, rolling stones and bad boys” keep it real and they don’t hide the fact of what they are and what they want. And that's not a black thing by far; it's a human thing. There's not much more pathetic, though, than an old OG with nothing going for him except memories and oftentimes regret. yet, I digress... back to the present. :)

                                  Women shouldn’t settle for being just another piece of tail or a notch in the belt. Women CAN say no and can also make better choices and stop sleeping with men whom they do not know from Adam; and men can do the same! You really want to sleep with a woman you don't even know who already has 2 or 3 children and the fathers are absent? Really? Try waiting a bit for skins and develop a RELATIONSHIP FIRST before allowing someone to become your lover. I want a man to know my mind… and know who I am, where I’m from and what I want in life before he knows all my erogenous zones.

                                  I don't want to come across as an old fuddy duddy because I'm far from that (smile); however, if couples abstained from sexual relations at least until they were "in love" or "heavy duty like" then there might be less single mothers and absentee fathers. If you love this person or at least in a growing and fulfilling relationship and the woman becomes pregnant then at least there’s already shared feelings and warmth between you – not just screwing. The thought of marriage then doesn't seem so foreign or out of the question. I've known women who go out to clubs and meet a man and they exchange numbers and a week or two later (sometimes less), they're in bed together. Do you even LIKE the person yet? Then, if the woman gets pregnant, what is supposed to happen? Marriage? The relationship never had a chance to flourish beyond anything more than a good hump and ends up being a lifetime commitment with someone who was only supposed to be around to scratch an itch and fulfill an urge. My thing is, how did sex turn into "something to do with someone you barely know"? I don't get that and I never have. It's a terrible position for two people to be in because they didn’t take the time to find out if they even like each other beyond the physical. That’s the problem in a nutshell.

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                                  #10.3 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:46 PM EDT
                                  mschargerfan

                                  Amen, Lois. You hit the nail on the head. Along those lines, there was something else I was thinking about this morning:

                                  My body is my temple; therefore I am not going to let any one defile it. I consider my my mind a part of my temple, so I will not allow anyone to defile it either.

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                                  #10.4 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT
                                  Lois-Lane

                                  @ mscharger. that's is absolutely right. I'm teaching our daughter the same thing; respect yourself and if all people felt like their mind, body and soul as the gift that it is then the "casualness" of sex and other things would not be taken and given with such gratuity.

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                                  #10.5 - Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:33 PM EDT
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                                  Im 4Me

                                  Dr. Miller, thanks for a really good writeup on a very sensitive subject. Thanks also to mscharger who I have always known had a thoughtful perspective. If a white person expressed these views, they'd be branded for life (like Im 4Me). But you said it and I agree with it.

                                  Unfortunately, when Kappa weighs in, we fundamentally begin a vicitimization defense that we are all tired of and which carries little or no water. Those of you who agreed with him need to take a moment and reflect.

                                  1) get rid of the requirement that the man has to be out of the home to collect benefits. if a man loses his job he should not have to have his children penalized

                                  You can receive unemployment in the home or not.

                                  2) stop the immoral put a blackman in jail just-us system from railroading blackmen into prison.

                                  Lame victim view. Going to jail is the outcome of what Dr. Miller has described. Read the newspapers about black inner city crime. This is what your children are doing while you're not at home.

                                  3) stop the constant barrage of negative images in the entertainment industry.

                                  You do it to yourself. Kanye (antisocial behavior), Chris Brown (violent thug). The majority of negative images are produced by black producers i.e. Russell Simmons.

                                  4) have more services for communities in the urban areas like they do in the suburbs (i have lived in both)

                                  You have bankrupted the urban areas with your neverending needs. They have nothing left to give you.

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                                  Reply#11 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
                                  TERESA OLEARY

                                  Your right - sensitive subject.. Can a white person express it - No... Should'nt be like that but there you go.... blame the Liberals. Agreed that entertainment-industry-negative-mages are produced by Black people against Black people who promote this barrage of anti-social and irresponsible behaviour probably for no other reason than to make a quick buck.

                                  I am interested in your comment on "black inner-city crime". However, this is not just a black issue - inner city crime is across all types - just to correct you on that point. However, I do see your views coming from a different place - it feels that way to me anyway. I would like to know why you seemingly blame "neverending needs" and "Inner-city crime" on one particular group, or have I read it the wrong way. Please clarify.

                                    Reply#12 - Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT
                                    Im 4Me

                                    Teresa, the term "black inner-city crime" is an extension of Dr. Miller's writeup titled "Male Player Is a Black American Nightmare."

                                    I too am interested in your comments: What is meant by

                                    but there you go.... blame the Liberals

                                    and

                                    I do see your views coming from a different place

                                    I haven't the foggiest idea of what you are reading into my comments. I haven't blamed anyone, and I don't understand where this "place" is you are referring to.

                                      Reply#13 - Sat Apr 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
                                      TERESA OLEARY

                                      "Place" = perspective.... it is just my British terminology....

                                      Liberals = politically correct brigade. Coming out of "liberal" minded, such as we have here in Britain. Not sure what you would call the PCB in the States then.

                                        #13.1 - Sun Apr 3, 2011 5:08 PM EDT
                                        Im 4Me

                                        Nope, I understood your British terminology perfectly. The same terminology is used here. But the question is, who is blaming liberals, and for what? Further, what is the place you think my views are coming from? I think you're hinting around at something.

                                          #13.2 - Sun Apr 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT
                                          Lois-Lane

                                          @Im 4. perhaps she sees something in these comments ...which appear to be an open and blanketed expression of blame directed at one community. period.

                                          Lame victim view. Going to jail is the outcome of what Dr. Miller has described. Read the newspapers about black inner city crime. This is what your children are doing while you're not at home.

                                          3) stop the constant barrage of negative images in the entertainment industry.

                                          You do it to yourself. Kanye (antisocial behavior), Chris Brown (violent thug). The majority of negative images are produced by black producers i.e. Russell Simmons.

                                          4) have more services for communities in the urban areas like they do in the suburbs (i have lived in both)

                                          You have bankrupted the urban areas with your neverending needs. They have nothing left to give you.

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                                          #13.3 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
                                          TERESA OLEARY

                                          What Lois is saying is what I am seeing also - your "perspective" on Black American issues seemingly being laid directly at their feet as though this is a section of the community that had brought themselves to some brink all by themselves. Is this what you intended? Just asking..

                                          Liberals - what is it got to do with them?.... Here in the UK issues such as this which we are discussing would be difficult, as in the States, if a black person had not originally posted it. We walk on glass in the UK and the Liberal-minded, politically-correct brigade borne out of left-wing Liberal policy influences in the last 15 years of a socialist government would look at something like this as "racial or cultural prejudice". These liberal influences are bigtime in some schools where even Xmas school plays are banned because of "offending" other religions. Parents are not allowed to video their kids at school events because the tapes could get into the hands of peodophiles - I could go on but we're off topic. Anyway, hence my comment on what have now become "over-sensitive" subjects.

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                                          #13.4 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT
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