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Legalizing Same-sex Marriage Whilst Demonizing Polygamy

Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:52 AM EDT
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As gay marriage inches toward legitimacy across the United States of America, though viewed as a sin by some conservatives, we find ourselves in a conundrum aggressively moving to take children from their parents in openly polygamous relationships but allowing adoptions by openly gay couples.

A Catholic senior citizen couple, who are married 32 years, gave me an ear full against gay marriage when we chatted at Concord Mall in Metropolitan Wilmington, DE. Their bottom-line is same sex marriage is against nature. The thought of same-sex couples adopting a child was totally out the realm of sane public policy in this husband and wife view. The Husband is Italian and the wife Irish; however, they were quite proud of their biracial grandson with an Italian surname.

Polygamy dates back thousands of years to Biblical times, so we know its long term effects on the intra family workings. Today, the US is confronted with a new de facto polygamy where there is no marital commitment. This modern US tolerated polygamy has added two phrases to the lexicon: “baby mama” and “baby daddy.” It can be appreciated by the story of a caller into the syndicated Michael Baisden radio music and talk show on WDAS in Philadelphia, PA.

Yesterday, a caller confessed that he got caught using Facebook to have an online affair. This caller claimed that he dropped his Facebook account because of this tomfoolery. His confession then escalated to a whole new level when he revealed that he had nine children by seven baby mamas.

George Wilborn, Baisden second banana, asked this player to name all of his children. This baby daddy struggled to name all of his children. His plight suggested that he may not have a great deal of contact with these children. There was doubt that he may not have given nine distinct children names.

A holistic look at this baby daddy’s tale suggests that the baby mamas had to accept that de facto polygamy (man sharing) was tolerable, since seven of them elected to mother his children. This tale suggests that the player is making marriage obsolete, since he abhors responsibility. Let us also be mindful that there are baby mamas with multiple baby daddies.

It is clear that the old shotgun wedding, where the man steps up to the plate and marries the woman carrying his child, might be something today’s ladies hoping to entrap a man will find as an illusion of grandeur. These love starved women may find themselves in the ranks of the single parents while their children are growing up. A comment from the Baisden show, “If you can get the milk free, why buy the cow” suggests that marriage is a mirage for many baby mamas.

There are many questions that need to be answered about the sexual abuse of under aged girls who are forced into marrying older men and bigamy within the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Nonetheless, the Plain Jane women polygamous wives appear to be satisfied with their lifestyle. It appeared that the children interacted with their fathers. I do not recall anyone using the expressions of baby mama and baby daddy to describe these polygamous people’s lifestyle.

We may be quick to vilify these polygamous people as wayward religious sects. This purportedly allowed someone to make a false telephone report against the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that emboldened the Texas state officials to separate mothers from their children in effect declaring these women unfit mothers.

When you ponder the legal tribulations of the male members the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints you might get enchanted into viewing that the children in these plural marriages will be misfits. On the other hand, one of the most respected world leaders today, Former South African President Nelson Mandela, is a child of a polygamous marriage arrangement. His father had multiple wives. It is very interesting to hear Mandela tell of his childhood and his father summoning his wives when the Angel of Death took his life.

I feel it is dishonest to legalize gay marriage while sweeping polygamous marriage under the rug because de facto polygamy has spawn the age of the player who has no concept of marital and parental responsibility. Perhaps common-law marriage should automatically morph into legal marriage (polygamous) where married and single men cohabitate with women many years with no intentions of marriage.

If a couple lives together for five or more years, then marriages should be automatic. This proposal might deal with the plight of a scorn female who called the Baisden show to advise another woman about moving on after a love relationship fell apart. This scorn woman said she cohabitated with a man for 20 years. She had five children for him. He then decided to get married. The marriage lasted I believe she said only three years.

Are we saying that same-sex marriage is now okay in the Mainstream American psyche, but we must turn our noses up at the thought of plural marriage even though de facto polygamy is thriving in many inner city neighborhoods? The Maury Povich television show is thriving off using DNA test to expose baby daddies and make baby mamas with multiple baby daddies or unable to identity baby daddy appear as a promiscuous woman. Hence, marital and parental responsibilities are the underpinning America’s strength suggesting that it is time to eliminate the age of the player to preserve the long term health of the United States of America.

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Z1P2

we find ourselves in a conundrum aggressively moving to take children from their parents in openly polygamous relationships but allowing adoptions by openly gay couples.

I fail to see how that's a conundrum... the two have nothing to do with each other.

Are we saying that same-sex marriage is now okay in the Mainstream American psyche, but we must turn our noses up at the thought of plural marriage even though de facto polygamy is thriving in many inner city neighborhoods?

Yes, and I don't see any problem with that.

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Reply#1 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:32 AM EDT
jimi

I fail to see how that's a conundrum... the two have nothing to do with each other.

Yes, and I don't see any problem with that.

That's an interesting cognitive dissonance. I've said for years that whatever consenting adults want to do is fine by me, so should they choose to form complex marriages whom am I to stop them? As the author notes, plural marriage (at least having multiple wives) was the norm for thousands of years.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:52 AM EDT
blll

All I have to say is.. What?

Do you really see these two issues as remotely comparable? Is this why the Mormon Church has marshalled their forces in all our offense against same-sex marriage? How does that even make sense?

If you want an expanded definition of marriage, such as plural marriage under long time Mormon doctrine, wouldn't you want to encourage same-sex marriage to the greatest extent possible as well as any other broadened definition of marriage? Heck, if you include marriage of a woman and a woman in the definition of marriage, then you are much much closer to the plural marriage of a woman, a woman, and a man.

Clearly, Mormons should support same-sex marriage whole heartedly and it should be central to the doctrine. Anyone opposed to this is obvious not Mormon and show be ex-communicated.

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#1.2 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:08 AM EDT
jimi

Only the fundamentalist Mormons support polygamy. The mainline branch of that religion shuns polygamists, as they have since they renounced the practice in the late 1800's in order to gain statehood.

The Mormon objection to gay marriage stems from the Bible, so even if they were pro-polygamy, they'd still be anti-gay marriage. As an atheist with a libertarian bent, I feel that consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want behind closed doors. Marriage is a legal construct to the state, so I am for allowing such legal constructs involving multiple partners to exist.

    #1.3 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:31 AM EDT
    tyler

    Sherman, come on. Stop categorizing these Opinion pieces as News Type: Event.

    Chosen news types and tags should be accurate and informative - not used to provoke or make a statement.

    You're suspended for a day for violating #3 of the Code of Honor. News Type changed.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
    Z1P2

    plural marriage (at least having multiple wives) was the norm for thousands of years.

    Maybe thousands of years ago, but solo marriage has been the norm for the past few thousand years.

    I've said for years that whatever consenting adults want to do is fine by me, so should they choose to form complex marriages whom am I to stop them?

    Although I tend to agree with that position, one of the reasons that polygamy was outlawed in the first place is because people would carry on multiple marriages without their partner being informed of it and thus spreading communicable diseases to their spouses while their spouses were under the impression that the marriage was a monogamous one. In that situation, I am in agreement with the law because it constitutes in essense, a breech of contract, and I believe that people have a right to know if their sexual partner is sleeping with others due to the serious health risks that poses.

      #1.5 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:14 PM EDT
      jimi

      Although I tend to agree with that position, one of the reasons that polygamy was outlawed in the first place is because people would carry on multiple marriages without their partner being informed of it and thus spreading communicable diseases to their spouses while their spouses were under the impression that the marriage was a monogamous one.

      You're thinking of bigamy, not polygamy.

        #1.6 - Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:02 AM EDT
        Z1P2

        Bigamy is the act of entering into a marriage with one person while still legally married to another.

        Polygamy may be polygyny (one man having more than one wife at the same time) or polyandry (one woman having more than one husband at the same time)

        Is it possible to engage in one without also engaging in the other?

          #1.7 - Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:30 PM EDT
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          SgtNickAngel

          Republican MORmONS endorse polygamy while denouncing same sex marriage.

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          Reply#2 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:55 AM EDT
          samenslow

          The two issues are not related.

          In Islam, which allows a man to have four wives , there are rules, often ignored, that make the practice almost impossible. Historically and culturally pologamy serve purposes that are now generally handled in other ways, e.gs., widowed women requiring protection, need for increased populations or the need of the rich to display their wealth.

          Notice those arguing for pologmy never suggest a wife should be allowed multiple husbands?

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          Reply#3 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:28 AM EDT
          bonos_rama

          Exactly. Polygamy is generally misogynistic in nature. Like you said, people automatically think of a man with a bunch of wives - never the other way around.

          Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy. Certainly no more than hetero marriage does. As for being against god or nature, well, some of us believe that religion is against nature, but we aren't trying to outlaw marriages between religious people, no matter how distasteful we find their ceremonies, their marital "rules" and the fact that they will be brainwashing their future children.

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          #3.1 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:03 AM EDT
          jimi

          Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy. Certainly no more than hetero marriage does.

          See my reply above. I consider it a civil rights and legal issue. There are those that say gay marriage has nothing to do with interracial marriage, however I feel they're one in the same.

          Also note that I have no desire to be a polygamist - one wife is all I can handle :)

            #3.2 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:33 AM EDT
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            NB25

            my issue with polygamy is that many of these plural marraiges involve young girls being ushered into unions with older men or uncles.

            and why should a man get a bunch of young girl brides? do women get to have multiple husbands? geez, its a man's world....

            • 1 vote
            Reply#4 - Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT
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